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The VS podcast is a bi-weekly series where poets confront the ideas that move them. Hosted by poets Danez Smith and Franny Choi, produced by Daniel Kisslinger, and presented by the Poetry Foundation and Postloudness.

Latest Episodes

Airea D. Matthews vs. What Haunts

EAirea D. Matthews knows her ghosts. The poet and professor talks with Franny and Danez about the spectres and phantasms that live in her work, the ways she wants her poems to exist beyond paper and ink, the journey back to her original name. Plus, a dollop of Greek myth on top! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

64 min6 d ago
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Airea D. Matthews vs. What Haunts

Aurielle Marie vs. Audacity

EAurielle Marie hops on the line, and the line will never be the same. The poet and organizer talks about the ways that her poetics and movement work are interwoven, her decision to walk away from a book deal, and much more! See more of Aurielle’s work: https://auriellemarie.com/ NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review

71 min2 w ago
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Aurielle Marie vs. Audacity

John Murillo vs. The Business

EDanez and Franny hop on the ole zoom zoom with legendary poet and beard icon John Murillo. John talks about his new book Kontemporary Amerikan Poetry, learning how to focus on the work instead of po-biz, remembering who he writes for, and much more. Plus, a hilarious story involving a staged adulterous act. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

64 minAUG 18
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John Murillo vs. The Business

Michael Lee vs. Grief

After Franny’s episode talking with Cam Awkward-Rich, Danez goes one-on-one with their buddy Michael Lee, a Norwegian-American writer, youth worker, and organizer in Minneapolis. The dynamic duo talks about grief’s place in poems, Michael’s traumatic brain injury, obliterating whiteness, and some fond memories together. Pick up Michael’s book The Only Worlds We Know NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

50 minAUG 4
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Michael Lee vs. Grief

Cameron Awkward-Rich vs. Ambivalence

EOn this very special one-on-one episode of VS, we get a peek inside the blanket fort that Franny has built and get to listen to her chat with poet and professor Cameron Awkward-Rich (who also happens to be her boo). They talk about the pros and cons of isolation, the forces and spaces that created Cam’s newest book Dispatch, and, most importantly, their illustrious cat Bean. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

53 minJUL 21
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Cameron Awkward-Rich vs. Ambivalence

Statement from the VS Team

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5 minJUL 21
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Statement from the VS Team

Paige Lewis vs. Tiny Things

ERecorded back before COVID-19 sent the VS team home to different corners of the country, Franny and Danez sat down with poet Paige Lewis for a good ole fashioned in-person chat. Paige breaks down Beta Fish, the nonbinary epic they’re writing, the power of focusing on the micro, and more. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

70 minJUN 2
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Paige Lewis vs. Tiny Things

Chris Abani vs. Entanglement

EYou’ve just enrolled in one of the best classes anyone could ever take. This week’s guest, Chris Abani, is a master teacher, poet, screenwriter, and thinker who is ready to help you understand, even if the process kicks your butt a little. In this marathon episode recorded before the pandemic descended, Chris talks about the ways our languages shape our understanding of time and space, how the stories of his childhood in Nigeria inform his tongue, the dilemma of writing something important, and much more. Enjoy the lil bit of extra VS in this jumbo-sized episode! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

87 minMAY 19
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Chris Abani vs. Entanglement

You vs. the Prompts

EY’all are some good-ass writers! When we put out the call for poems in response to our prompts, we didn’t know we were going to get such a wonderful collection of pieces from you beautiful listeners. We couldn’t include them all in Episode 6, so we put together a special listener-only episode full of your work. Enjoy what your podpeople have created! Listener poems in this episode: “Untitled poem for the apocalypse” by Angelina Mazza “What we need right now” by Anneka Hooft “Independence Song” by Belinda Munyeza “Hell’s Kitchen” by Bobby Larson “Taxidermied Peacock” by Bri Marino “Dispensed With” by Ciel “A Reminder From This World” by Haru Matsuura “Untitled” by Irene Vazquez “The Gathering” by Isobel Rutherford “A poem by a half-finished painting in my living room” by Jake Pruitt “Girl in Isolation” by Jireh Deng “How many different shades of blue” by Latifa Akay “The Coffee Table Speaks During Quarantine” by Mehrnoosh Torbatnejad “april, 2020” by M...

34 minMAY 5
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You vs. the Prompts

Franny and Danez vs. the Mailbag

EOn this #VSfromHome episode, Danez and Franny dip into a chock-full mailbag full of your wonderful questions! Plus, we hear seven poems that listeners wrote and submitted in response to the prompts that Danez and Franny shared two episodes ago. Want more poems? Then check out the special episode released alongside this one, which features a cornucopia of listener-submitted poems that Franny and Danez selected. Listener poems in this episode: “On the Street Marked ‘Dead End’” by Christopher Crowder “Hold Me by the Stem” by Dante Clark “The Duvet Whispers to the Sex Swing” by Nova Cyprus Black “Things I Didn’t Know I Loved” by Fatima Malik “Untitled” by Simon Crow “What my dresser misses” by Lindsay Stewart NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

52 minMAY 5
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Franny and Danez vs. the Mailbag

Latest Episodes

Airea D. Matthews vs. What Haunts

EAirea D. Matthews knows her ghosts. The poet and professor talks with Franny and Danez about the spectres and phantasms that live in her work, the ways she wants her poems to exist beyond paper and ink, the journey back to her original name. Plus, a dollop of Greek myth on top! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

64 min6 d ago
Comments
Airea D. Matthews vs. What Haunts

Aurielle Marie vs. Audacity

EAurielle Marie hops on the line, and the line will never be the same. The poet and organizer talks about the ways that her poetics and movement work are interwoven, her decision to walk away from a book deal, and much more! See more of Aurielle’s work: https://auriellemarie.com/ NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review

71 min2 w ago
Comments
Aurielle Marie vs. Audacity

John Murillo vs. The Business

EDanez and Franny hop on the ole zoom zoom with legendary poet and beard icon John Murillo. John talks about his new book Kontemporary Amerikan Poetry, learning how to focus on the work instead of po-biz, remembering who he writes for, and much more. Plus, a hilarious story involving a staged adulterous act. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

64 minAUG 18
Comments
John Murillo vs. The Business

Michael Lee vs. Grief

After Franny’s episode talking with Cam Awkward-Rich, Danez goes one-on-one with their buddy Michael Lee, a Norwegian-American writer, youth worker, and organizer in Minneapolis. The dynamic duo talks about grief’s place in poems, Michael’s traumatic brain injury, obliterating whiteness, and some fond memories together. Pick up Michael’s book The Only Worlds We Know NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

50 minAUG 4
Comments
Michael Lee vs. Grief

Cameron Awkward-Rich vs. Ambivalence

EOn this very special one-on-one episode of VS, we get a peek inside the blanket fort that Franny has built and get to listen to her chat with poet and professor Cameron Awkward-Rich (who also happens to be her boo). They talk about the pros and cons of isolation, the forces and spaces that created Cam’s newest book Dispatch, and, most importantly, their illustrious cat Bean. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

53 minJUL 21
Comments
Cameron Awkward-Rich vs. Ambivalence

Statement from the VS Team

E

5 minJUL 21
Comments
Statement from the VS Team

Paige Lewis vs. Tiny Things

ERecorded back before COVID-19 sent the VS team home to different corners of the country, Franny and Danez sat down with poet Paige Lewis for a good ole fashioned in-person chat. Paige breaks down Beta Fish, the nonbinary epic they’re writing, the power of focusing on the micro, and more. NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

70 minJUN 2
Comments
Paige Lewis vs. Tiny Things

Chris Abani vs. Entanglement

EYou’ve just enrolled in one of the best classes anyone could ever take. This week’s guest, Chris Abani, is a master teacher, poet, screenwriter, and thinker who is ready to help you understand, even if the process kicks your butt a little. In this marathon episode recorded before the pandemic descended, Chris talks about the ways our languages shape our understanding of time and space, how the stories of his childhood in Nigeria inform his tongue, the dilemma of writing something important, and much more. Enjoy the lil bit of extra VS in this jumbo-sized episode! NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

87 minMAY 19
Comments
Chris Abani vs. Entanglement

You vs. the Prompts

EY’all are some good-ass writers! When we put out the call for poems in response to our prompts, we didn’t know we were going to get such a wonderful collection of pieces from you beautiful listeners. We couldn’t include them all in Episode 6, so we put together a special listener-only episode full of your work. Enjoy what your podpeople have created! Listener poems in this episode: “Untitled poem for the apocalypse” by Angelina Mazza “What we need right now” by Anneka Hooft “Independence Song” by Belinda Munyeza “Hell’s Kitchen” by Bobby Larson “Taxidermied Peacock” by Bri Marino “Dispensed With” by Ciel “A Reminder From This World” by Haru Matsuura “Untitled” by Irene Vazquez “The Gathering” by Isobel Rutherford “A poem by a half-finished painting in my living room” by Jake Pruitt “Girl in Isolation” by Jireh Deng “How many different shades of blue” by Latifa Akay “The Coffee Table Speaks During Quarantine” by Mehrnoosh Torbatnejad “april, 2020” by M...

34 minMAY 5
Comments
You vs. the Prompts

Franny and Danez vs. the Mailbag

EOn this #VSfromHome episode, Danez and Franny dip into a chock-full mailbag full of your wonderful questions! Plus, we hear seven poems that listeners wrote and submitted in response to the prompts that Danez and Franny shared two episodes ago. Want more poems? Then check out the special episode released alongside this one, which features a cornucopia of listener-submitted poems that Franny and Danez selected. Listener poems in this episode: “On the Street Marked ‘Dead End’” by Christopher Crowder “Hold Me by the Stem” by Dante Clark “The Duvet Whispers to the Sex Swing” by Nova Cyprus Black “Things I Didn’t Know I Loved” by Fatima Malik “Untitled” by Simon Crow “What my dresser misses” by Lindsay Stewart NOTE: Make sure you rate us on Apple Podcasts and write us a review!

52 minMAY 5
Comments
Franny and Danez vs. the Mailbag
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