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EPIDEMIC with Dr. Celine Gounder and Ronald Klain

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EPIDEMIC with Dr. Celine Gounder and Ronald Klain

EPIDEMIC with Dr. Celine Gounder and Ronald Klain

JUST HUMAN PRODUCTIONS

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EPIDEMIC is a twice-weekly podcast on public health and the coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2 / COVID-19). Hear from some of the world’s leading infectious disease and public health experts. We’ll help you understand the latest science, the bigger context, and bring you diverse angles—from history and anthropology to politics and economics—depth and texture you won’t get elsewhere. Hosted by Dr. Celine Gounder, an infectious disease specialist and epidemiologist who has worked on tuberculosis and HIV in sub-Saharan Africa, and was an Ebola worker during the West African epidemic. And co-hosted by Ron Klain, the U.S. Ebola czar from 2014 to 2015. The COVID-19 pandemic may well be the defining moment of our times. Our lives have changed irrevocably. We need to understand the science so we can care for ourselves, our families, and our communities. And we need voices of reason to help us make sense of it all.Email us your questions at hello@justhumanproductions.org or tweet us @celinegounder and @ronaldklain. We’ll answer a couple of questions on the show each week.#SARS-CoV-2 #COVID19 #coronavirus

Latest Episodes

S1E32 / Epidemics Change History / Josh Loomis and Frank Snowden

“Just like cholera exposed the weaknesses in European society, COVID is doing the same for us. ...The bubonic plague and cholera for example were devastating pandemics, but they also lead to the creation of modern public health and sanitation. There’s still a chance for COVID to have its own silver linings, even if we can’t see them right now.” -Dr. Celine Gounder Pandemics have played a huge role in human history. The Black Death had huge implications for economics, politics, medicine, and religion, and it wasn’t the only disease to upend a civilization. In today’s episode of “Epidemic,” Dr. Celine Gounder speaks to Dr. Josh Loomis and Dr. Frank Snowden about a few examples of how disease shaped the world we live in today, and what those events might tell us about what to expect after the COVID pandemic ends.Josh Loomis is a microbiologist and the author of Epidemics: The Impact of Germs and Their Power Over Humanity.Frank Snowden is a Professor of History and the History o...

26 MIN4 d ago
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S1E32 / Epidemics Change History / Josh Loomis and Frank Snowden

S1E31 / A Patchwork Pandemic / Ed Yong and Howard Koh

“We all believe that we need a national plan in the face of a national emergency, a United response for the United States… We're all in these parts of the same country. You can't control the pandemic without some degree of coordination.” - Ed Yong What kind of coordinated national response is required for a national health crisis like COVID-19? Today on "Epidemic," Dr. Celine Gounder speaks with Dr. Howard Koh, Professor of Public Health Leadership at the Harvard School of Public Health, and Ed Yong, staff writer for the Atlantic. They discuss the "patchwork pandemic" we are experiencing, where the country is divided on how it's responding to -- and being impacted by -- COVID-19. They'll examine the degree of federal leadership that is required for an effective COVID-19 response, and the consequences suffered from failing to implement a nationally coordinated plan. This podcast was created by Just Human Productions. We're powered and distributed by Simplecast. We're supported, in...

25 MIN1 w ago
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S1E31 / A Patchwork Pandemic / Ed Yong and Howard Koh

American Diagnosis / Bonus / A Black Man in Science: The Pursuit of Truth / Kafui Dzirasa

“Despite all of those other cues, my white coat, my scrubs, you know, somebody just looked out the window and saw danger. And even the officers who came to talk to me couldn't override their biases that said danger. And this is not a unique experience at all. I have friends, particularly black men who have trained at some of the best institutions in the country, that not only have these experiences with police, they have these experience with campus police as they're walking around, like going into research labs with their ID badges on. It is like this is a shared experience.” -Kafui Dzirasa, M.D., Ph.D. Today on "Epidemic," we will be hearing a bonus episode from our sister podcast, "American Diagnosis" about some of the issues around race and racism in medicine. In this episode, Dr. Celine Gounder speaks with Dr. Kafui Dzirasa, a psychiatrist and NIH-funded brain researcher at Duke University, about his journey climbing to the heights of biomedical research in the United States as a first-generation immigrant and a black man. We’ll hear how the legacy of slavery continues in science and medicine, Kaf’s advice on finding mentors, and how he’s handling the pandemic as a scientist and an African American. This podcast was created by Just Human Productions. We're powered and distributed by Simplecast. We're supported, in part, by listeners like you. #BlackLivesMatter #BLM #BlackInTheIvory

35 MIN1 w ago
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American Diagnosis / Bonus / A Black Man in Science: The Pursuit of Truth / Kafui Dzirasa

S1E30 / A Second Wave? / Howard Markel

“So when will it come back? You know, I'm a historian, so I'm uncomfortable with predicting the future, but as a doctor, if I were making a prognosis, I would say it's going to come back.” — Dr. Howard Markel “It does get weary when you see the same mistakes being made over and over and over again. And many of the mistakes of past pandemics are being made today, particularly in how we're administering and reacting to it.“ — Dr. Howard Markel With states gradually starting to re-open, many are wondering whether we will face a second wave of infections. In today’s episode, Dr. Celine Gounder speaks with Dr. Howard Markel, a physician and medical historian at the University of Michigan School of Public Health. They ask the question: can history help us prepare for the future? They discuss the lessons that the Influenza Pandemic of 1918 can teach us about COVID-19, and consider whether the history of the 1918 pandemic is repeating itself in present day. This podcast was created b...

24 MIN2 w ago
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S1E30 / A Second Wave? / Howard Markel

S1E29 / A Magic Bullet? Monoclonal Antibodies / James Crowe

"In our case, we're trying to transfer an antibody from one person to another. And it's actually a simpler idea because the recipient of an antibody RNA does not have to really respond to it. They just make it, and they have instant immunity." -Dr. James Crowe In today’s episode, our host Dr. Celine Gounder speaks with Dr. James Crowe, Director of the Vaccine Center at Vanderbilt Medical Center, about the next phase in antibody-based therapies, which is being spearheaded by Dr. Crowe’s lab at Vanderbilt. They are working on a technique to manufacture immunity in a test tube by isolating a single antibody for a disease that can be used to specifically target and fight that disease. They talk about the upcoming clinical trials of monoclonal antibodies for treatment of COVID-19, and how this method differs from convalescent plasma and vaccination. Finally, they discuss the next frontier- how science may soon take us beyond drug treatments and into a realm where our bodies are program...

29 MIN2 w ago
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S1E29 / A Magic Bullet? Monoclonal Antibodies / James Crowe

S1E28 / The Political Psychology of Pandemics / Michele Gelfand and Howard Lavine

"In the United States, we have a relatively low threat history. We're separated by two oceans from other continents. We haven't been afraid of Canada, Mexico, chronically invading us. We haven't been afraid of constant fury from mother nature. And so, as a result, we have a harder time tightening up than other countries under these conditions because it's hard for people to sacrifice the kind of liberty and freedom that we've had for constraints and rules.” - Michele Gelfand In today’s episode, our host Dr. Celine Gounder and former co-host Ron Klain interview two experts, Michele Gelfand and Howard Lavine, about why Republicans and Democrats are so deeply divided over almost everything to do with COVID. They discuss the shift towards identity politics and why people tend to vote along the lines of their chosen political party instead of in their best personal interests, and how this complicates different states’ responses to COVID. They also examine how a community’s history of...

33 MIN3 w ago
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S1E28 / The Political Psychology of Pandemics / Michele Gelfand and Howard Lavine

S1E27 / Convalescent Plasma / Arturo Casadevall and Michael Busch

“With penicillin, for example, you needed a few days to begin to get better. With antibodies, these people got better within hours, almost as if the antibody was mediating an antitoxin effect.” - Arturo Casadevall In today’s episode, our host Dr. Celine Gounder speaks with Arturo Casadevall, Chair of the Department of Molecular Microbiology and Immunology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, about convalescent plasma, the transfer of antibodies from a disease survivor to a disease patient. They discuss the history of convalescent plasma transfer, how it has been used in the past during other infectious disease outbreaks, such as diphtheria and measles, and how the invention of antibiotics led to the decline of this treatment method in the United States. They also talk about the current research studies being done to test the effectiveness of this treatment method on COVID-19 patients. Our host also speaks with Michael Busch, the Director of the Vitalant Researc...

27 MIN3 w ago
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S1E27 / Convalescent Plasma / Arturo Casadevall and Michael Busch

S1E26 / Indigenous Peoples / Rebecca Nagle, Melissa Begay, and Jamescita Peshlakai

“I think there's always sort of like Indian humor with everything and so there were a lot of people making jokes about Trump putting a travel ban in place to stop the spread of disease from Europe. A lot of native people on Twitter and Facebook were commenting that it was, you know, a few centuries too late." -Rebecca Nagle In this episode,our host Dr. Celine Gounder speaks toRebecca Nagle, Dr. Melissa Begay, and Jamescita Peshlakai about why the Navajo Nation has been so hard hit by COVID, and what their communities are doing to protect everyone—young and old—during this pandemic. The Navajo Nation isthe nation’s largest indigenous tribe and has the highest per capita infection rate of COVID in the United States. Dr. Melissa Begay is a member of the Navajo Nation, and a physician at the University of New Mexico in the Department of Pulmonary, Sleep and Critical Care.Jamescita Peshlakai is anArizona State Representative and represents eight tribes in her district, including the ...

29 MINJUN 5
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S1E26 / Indigenous Peoples / Rebecca Nagle, Melissa Begay, and Jamescita Peshlakai

S1E25 / A COVID Vaccine / Seth Berkley and Peter Hotez

“Terrible diseases like smallpox, polio, yellow fever where, you know, the capital in the United States in those days, Philadelphia, in the 1700s, 10% of the population died. When you vaccinate against them, you prevent them, and they no longer are problems.” - Seth Berkley In today’s episode, co-hosts Dr. Celine Gounder and Ron Klain speak with Seth Berkley and Dr. Peter Hotez about a topic that has received a lot of attention lately-- vaccines. They discuss the processes involved in developing a vaccine for COVID-19, including when we can realistically expect a vaccine to become available to the public. They talk about the concept of herd immunity and how high vaccination rates are an essential component to this process. They also discuss the anti-vaxxer movement and how mis-messaging may be playing a part in fueling the flames of this movement in regards to a COVID-19 vaccine. Finally, they talk about the need for continued vaccine research in order to be prepared for the next...

32 MINJUN 3
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S1E25 / A COVID Vaccine / Seth Berkley and Peter Hotez

BONUS / #theshowmustbepaused

We’re going to hold the release of our next episode until tomorrow. The show must be paused. Consider this a moment of silence... a pause… in honor of George Floyd’s memory. This is a moment in which we should all take a knee… and take a stand against police brutality against the black community. When we should all ask… why have we’ve accepted laws and institutions… that lead people of color to get sick and die… in such higher numbers from the coronavirus… than the rest of us. This is a moment when… all of us… all of us Americans… must honor all the people of color in our nation who’ve died wrongly… needlessly… and senselessly. And so… let us pray for our country… let us contemplate a new way… let us hope… for a better future together.

2 MINJUN 2
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BONUS / #theshowmustbepaused

Latest Episodes

S1E32 / Epidemics Change History / Josh Loomis and Frank Snowden

“Just like cholera exposed the weaknesses in European society, COVID is doing the same for us. ...The bubonic plague and cholera for example were devastating pandemics, but they also lead to the creation of modern public health and sanitation. There’s still a chance for COVID to have its own silver linings, even if we can’t see them right now.” -Dr. Celine Gounder Pandemics have played a huge role in human history. The Black Death had huge implications for economics, politics, medicine, and religion, and it wasn’t the only disease to upend a civilization. In today’s episode of “Epidemic,” Dr. Celine Gounder speaks to Dr. Josh Loomis and Dr. Frank Snowden about a few examples of how disease shaped the world we live in today, and what those events might tell us about what to expect after the COVID pandemic ends.Josh Loomis is a microbiologist and the author of Epidemics: The Impact of Germs and Their Power Over Humanity.Frank Snowden is a Professor of History and the History o...

26 MIN4 d ago
Comments
S1E32 / Epidemics Change History / Josh Loomis and Frank Snowden

S1E31 / A Patchwork Pandemic / Ed Yong and Howard Koh

“We all believe that we need a national plan in the face of a national emergency, a United response for the United States… We're all in these parts of the same country. You can't control the pandemic without some degree of coordination.” - Ed Yong What kind of coordinated national response is required for a national health crisis like COVID-19? Today on "Epidemic," Dr. Celine Gounder speaks with Dr. Howard Koh, Professor of Public Health Leadership at the Harvard School of Public Health, and Ed Yong, staff writer for the Atlantic. They discuss the "patchwork pandemic" we are experiencing, where the country is divided on how it's responding to -- and being impacted by -- COVID-19. They'll examine the degree of federal leadership that is required for an effective COVID-19 response, and the consequences suffered from failing to implement a nationally coordinated plan. This podcast was created by Just Human Productions. We're powered and distributed by Simplecast. We're supported, in...

25 MIN1 w ago
Comments
S1E31 / A Patchwork Pandemic / Ed Yong and Howard Koh

American Diagnosis / Bonus / A Black Man in Science: The Pursuit of Truth / Kafui Dzirasa

“Despite all of those other cues, my white coat, my scrubs, you know, somebody just looked out the window and saw danger. And even the officers who came to talk to me couldn't override their biases that said danger. And this is not a unique experience at all. I have friends, particularly black men who have trained at some of the best institutions in the country, that not only have these experiences with police, they have these experience with campus police as they're walking around, like going into research labs with their ID badges on. It is like this is a shared experience.” -Kafui Dzirasa, M.D., Ph.D. Today on "Epidemic," we will be hearing a bonus episode from our sister podcast, "American Diagnosis" about some of the issues around race and racism in medicine. In this episode, Dr. Celine Gounder speaks with Dr. Kafui Dzirasa, a psychiatrist and NIH-funded brain researcher at Duke University, about his journey climbing to the heights of biomedical research in the United States as a first-generation immigrant and a black man. We’ll hear how the legacy of slavery continues in science and medicine, Kaf’s advice on finding mentors, and how he’s handling the pandemic as a scientist and an African American. This podcast was created by Just Human Productions. We're powered and distributed by Simplecast. We're supported, in part, by listeners like you. #BlackLivesMatter #BLM #BlackInTheIvory

35 MIN1 w ago
Comments
American Diagnosis / Bonus / A Black Man in Science: The Pursuit of Truth / Kafui Dzirasa

S1E30 / A Second Wave? / Howard Markel

“So when will it come back? You know, I'm a historian, so I'm uncomfortable with predicting the future, but as a doctor, if I were making a prognosis, I would say it's going to come back.” — Dr. Howard Markel “It does get weary when you see the same mistakes being made over and over and over again. And many of the mistakes of past pandemics are being made today, particularly in how we're administering and reacting to it.“ — Dr. Howard Markel With states gradually starting to re-open, many are wondering whether we will face a second wave of infections. In today’s episode, Dr. Celine Gounder speaks with Dr. Howard Markel, a physician and medical historian at the University of Michigan School of Public Health. They ask the question: can history help us prepare for the future? They discuss the lessons that the Influenza Pandemic of 1918 can teach us about COVID-19, and consider whether the history of the 1918 pandemic is repeating itself in present day. This podcast was created b...

24 MIN2 w ago
Comments
S1E30 / A Second Wave? / Howard Markel

S1E29 / A Magic Bullet? Monoclonal Antibodies / James Crowe

"In our case, we're trying to transfer an antibody from one person to another. And it's actually a simpler idea because the recipient of an antibody RNA does not have to really respond to it. They just make it, and they have instant immunity." -Dr. James Crowe In today’s episode, our host Dr. Celine Gounder speaks with Dr. James Crowe, Director of the Vaccine Center at Vanderbilt Medical Center, about the next phase in antibody-based therapies, which is being spearheaded by Dr. Crowe’s lab at Vanderbilt. They are working on a technique to manufacture immunity in a test tube by isolating a single antibody for a disease that can be used to specifically target and fight that disease. They talk about the upcoming clinical trials of monoclonal antibodies for treatment of COVID-19, and how this method differs from convalescent plasma and vaccination. Finally, they discuss the next frontier- how science may soon take us beyond drug treatments and into a realm where our bodies are program...

29 MIN2 w ago
Comments
S1E29 / A Magic Bullet? Monoclonal Antibodies / James Crowe

S1E28 / The Political Psychology of Pandemics / Michele Gelfand and Howard Lavine

"In the United States, we have a relatively low threat history. We're separated by two oceans from other continents. We haven't been afraid of Canada, Mexico, chronically invading us. We haven't been afraid of constant fury from mother nature. And so, as a result, we have a harder time tightening up than other countries under these conditions because it's hard for people to sacrifice the kind of liberty and freedom that we've had for constraints and rules.” - Michele Gelfand In today’s episode, our host Dr. Celine Gounder and former co-host Ron Klain interview two experts, Michele Gelfand and Howard Lavine, about why Republicans and Democrats are so deeply divided over almost everything to do with COVID. They discuss the shift towards identity politics and why people tend to vote along the lines of their chosen political party instead of in their best personal interests, and how this complicates different states’ responses to COVID. They also examine how a community’s history of...

33 MIN3 w ago
Comments
S1E28 / The Political Psychology of Pandemics / Michele Gelfand and Howard Lavine

S1E27 / Convalescent Plasma / Arturo Casadevall and Michael Busch

“With penicillin, for example, you needed a few days to begin to get better. With antibodies, these people got better within hours, almost as if the antibody was mediating an antitoxin effect.” - Arturo Casadevall In today’s episode, our host Dr. Celine Gounder speaks with Arturo Casadevall, Chair of the Department of Molecular Microbiology and Immunology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, about convalescent plasma, the transfer of antibodies from a disease survivor to a disease patient. They discuss the history of convalescent plasma transfer, how it has been used in the past during other infectious disease outbreaks, such as diphtheria and measles, and how the invention of antibiotics led to the decline of this treatment method in the United States. They also talk about the current research studies being done to test the effectiveness of this treatment method on COVID-19 patients. Our host also speaks with Michael Busch, the Director of the Vitalant Researc...

27 MIN3 w ago
Comments
S1E27 / Convalescent Plasma / Arturo Casadevall and Michael Busch

S1E26 / Indigenous Peoples / Rebecca Nagle, Melissa Begay, and Jamescita Peshlakai

“I think there's always sort of like Indian humor with everything and so there were a lot of people making jokes about Trump putting a travel ban in place to stop the spread of disease from Europe. A lot of native people on Twitter and Facebook were commenting that it was, you know, a few centuries too late." -Rebecca Nagle In this episode,our host Dr. Celine Gounder speaks toRebecca Nagle, Dr. Melissa Begay, and Jamescita Peshlakai about why the Navajo Nation has been so hard hit by COVID, and what their communities are doing to protect everyone—young and old—during this pandemic. The Navajo Nation isthe nation’s largest indigenous tribe and has the highest per capita infection rate of COVID in the United States. Dr. Melissa Begay is a member of the Navajo Nation, and a physician at the University of New Mexico in the Department of Pulmonary, Sleep and Critical Care.Jamescita Peshlakai is anArizona State Representative and represents eight tribes in her district, including the ...

29 MINJUN 5
Comments
S1E26 / Indigenous Peoples / Rebecca Nagle, Melissa Begay, and Jamescita Peshlakai

S1E25 / A COVID Vaccine / Seth Berkley and Peter Hotez

“Terrible diseases like smallpox, polio, yellow fever where, you know, the capital in the United States in those days, Philadelphia, in the 1700s, 10% of the population died. When you vaccinate against them, you prevent them, and they no longer are problems.” - Seth Berkley In today’s episode, co-hosts Dr. Celine Gounder and Ron Klain speak with Seth Berkley and Dr. Peter Hotez about a topic that has received a lot of attention lately-- vaccines. They discuss the processes involved in developing a vaccine for COVID-19, including when we can realistically expect a vaccine to become available to the public. They talk about the concept of herd immunity and how high vaccination rates are an essential component to this process. They also discuss the anti-vaxxer movement and how mis-messaging may be playing a part in fueling the flames of this movement in regards to a COVID-19 vaccine. Finally, they talk about the need for continued vaccine research in order to be prepared for the next...

32 MINJUN 3
Comments
S1E25 / A COVID Vaccine / Seth Berkley and Peter Hotez

BONUS / #theshowmustbepaused

We’re going to hold the release of our next episode until tomorrow. The show must be paused. Consider this a moment of silence... a pause… in honor of George Floyd’s memory. This is a moment in which we should all take a knee… and take a stand against police brutality against the black community. When we should all ask… why have we’ve accepted laws and institutions… that lead people of color to get sick and die… in such higher numbers from the coronavirus… than the rest of us. This is a moment when… all of us… all of us Americans… must honor all the people of color in our nation who’ve died wrongly… needlessly… and senselessly. And so… let us pray for our country… let us contemplate a new way… let us hope… for a better future together.

2 MINJUN 2
Comments
BONUS / #theshowmustbepaused
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